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Post by crager on Jul 12, 2010 20:40:06 GMT -5
yeah I met him once..but he seamed ok then I have heard otherwise....
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Post by Tim on Jul 13, 2010 3:06:25 GMT -5
i don't know where you guys think you can say shit about others by assumptions. underworld is a close friend of mine and never moderateted a myspace page. i did it and denied most everyone one as a friend, i find that shit boring,, some of you sound a bit fucked up and strange. maybe you should keep your mouths shut.
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Post by godless on Jul 13, 2010 5:23:27 GMT -5
You know what Tim...FUCK OFF. I put up with a lot of dumb shit you have said in countless dumb interviews, internet postings, etc. for years now. Your "close friend" ripped me off for hundreds of dollars before he ran out of here with his tail between his legs. He is an ignorant racist dumb-fuck(I know, I know...so are you. I tried to ignore and rationalize that shit away forever as well). So you can go masturbate to the idea of voting for Huckabee and Palin and suck my dick. I'll see you at the ECCC if you ever show up there again and tell you that to your fucking face.
Guess this is as good an excuse as any to sell off my Vigil stuff on ebay and follow artists who CAN draw with some consistency.
Adios everyone.
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Post by Tim on Jul 13, 2010 12:47:59 GMT -5
do whatever you want that feels good buddy. all i'm saying is you don't have to make assumptions, as you do. by the way..what about my dumbshit interviews and posting have any effect on anything in your life? sorry to see you go. 1 down 10 left.
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Post by killju on Jul 13, 2010 14:23:13 GMT -5
wow!well i just wanted to say EVERYONE HATES ME!when i was with boneyard the stigma of the company and the legend of hart fisher made everyone a target,i had people coming up and saying shit like YOUR GOING TO HELL!BLA,BLA!but i have noticed that its just there own short comings!NOT MANY PEOPLE KNOW WHAT TRUE HELL IS!WE TALK ABOUT IT DRAW ABOUT IT BUT IF YOUR ONE OF MY FRIENDS THEN U KNOW WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT!when my wie assed away and i did OPHRA AND DATELINE people were all over me about the pill!they made horriable assumptions but i made it through the shitstorm!ive never met TIM VIGIL but i know people who have!BMV SAID HE TOOK THE TIME TO LOOK AT HIS DRUNK BOOK!AD GVE HIM SOME TIPS!at the cons people always ask me about there stories and can i help them!some i talk to,some i just know they need help!LOL maybe oneday ill get to meet you and come to my own opion!until then thanks for talking on the boards!
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Post by crager on Jul 13, 2010 15:05:36 GMT -5
This is crazy now! Tim, Underworld was very strange to me several times and I did form an opinion on him. Disrespectful... Now Godless really didnt say anything too bad about underworld, I did. you can be mad at me for making an assumption but to attack us in a post or to make assumptions of your own towards our character thats wrong !!! tim I have known you since I was 18 years old, you helped guilde me for better or worse ( weather I fucked it up or not!!!) But your friend underworld is a DICK im sorry, but thats a fact.... its sad that godless would chose to leave, i do not agree with it ! and if Underworld is a close friend of yours tim, maybe you can talk to him about the fact that his rep is so bad on the board... and maybe he can come back and fix the issue.... ? If he choses not to come back and work these issues out, Then he is a douche bag! thats also not an assumption tis another FACT! There is no obligation to anything in this life but do on to others.....Man I hope karma works.... everybody including me will get it in the end..... godless I love you brother but if you have to go you have to go.... BTW tim as far as the reference to us or me being all fucked up and strange..... come on!!! I just bought a huge house im doing really well ,no fucked up or strangeness here... life is really good....
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Post by godless on Jul 13, 2010 15:13:51 GMT -5
do whatever you want that feels good buddy. all i'm saying is you don't have to make assumptions, as you do. by the way..what about my dumbshit interviews and posting have any effect on anything in your life? sorry to see you go. 1 down 10 left. 1)I said I suspected that your buddy was the one (after SOMEONE ELSE first stated they thought you had a ghost-MySpace page maintainer) who was maintaining your MySpace page and I gave pretty solid reasons for that. Rather irrelevant if my suspicions were correct or not since I did not say I was positive about it. 2)It is rather telling that you did not say SHIT when we have stated how he stole money from us or when he said "I don't care who knows. I don't like niggers.", etc. But when someone SUSPECTS he MAY have been the maintainer of your MS page, you decide it is time to act and throw a tantrum. Which brings me to... 3)No, you didn't just say ""you don't have to make assumptions". You told us we were strange and fucked up and should keep our mouths shut. THAT is what brought on my above retort. And you defended that thieving, moronic, racist bastard who tries to sell your stuff so he can stock up on bullets, guns etc. for a coming race war he believes will come when 'Obama tries to take away everyone's guns'.But you chose to tear into people like ME who have spent THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS of dollars on your stuff(and not sold any of it), defended you against critiques from other artists(even though those artists were probably mostly right in their critiques)? Mtj is another fan of yours who supported you financially and otherwise but when UD came out at these forums with his 'Sambo' and "I don't like niggers" comments, your silence was telling there also. I have ignored or rationalized away this kind of shit(and a lot more) about you for well over 20 years now. 4)I never said or even indicated that your dumbshit interviews have any effects on my life, save for the fact that my glossing over them, trying to pretend you never said anything so stupid as some of the crap(like that Dark Muse interview which was painful to read your confusion about what the interviewer was saying and asking you) you said and all the while spending tons of money on your shit. it was hypocritical of me because I have no problem supporting artists whom I do not agree with(i,.e. I will buy a ticket to a Tom Selleck movie even though he is a Republican) but I do not typically support guys who seem to take extreme or lunatic positions or support such positions(i.e. I don't buy tickets to Mel Gibson movies because he is an extremist and a racist) or people who are 'intellectually challenged'(to put it in PC terms for you). BTW, it is a stereotypical earmark of people who cannot figure things out and/or do not want to learn, to dismiss said things as "boring". It is the 21st century guy...like it or not. We are in the digital age. Why did you accept or reject for that matter, any friends on your MySpace page at all? If it is that "boring" then wouldn't it have been better to just not check the thing rather than selectively rejecting only a few people whom either you or UD have had differences with? You see why that looks funny to people who wanted to not assume the worst? I mean I don't care and never check my MySpace page myself anymore(have not for ages now) so no big deal to me but why would YOU think this issue was so important that when people went "making assumptions" about who set up and ran your page that you had to come here and throw a fit? Peace.
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Post by crager on Jul 13, 2010 15:14:52 GMT -5
and to be continued, Ill see you in San Diego Tim.....
we can talk more there...
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Post by godless on Jul 13, 2010 15:24:06 GMT -5
Thanks Crager and I am sorry if you are put in a bad position because of my replies here. Feel free to take me to task for anything I say as well. You are a truly great artist and the same can be said of Tim, despite my issues here and subsequent frustration over this whole mess. This crap seems to have been a long time coming though...
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Post by crager on Jul 13, 2010 15:30:06 GMT -5
no worries brother I still luv ya!!!!!
and most of, if not all of, what you said is correct ,I remember underworlds comment also!!!
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Post by killju on Jul 13, 2010 16:25:01 GMT -5
godless thanks for buying VIRUSCOMIX!SECOND,i must have missed that comment.thats fucked up!anyway u seem to be a very level headed guy,i think people get to a point in life and say fuck it!ill do what i want.much love brother any friend of cragers is a friend of mine.but as for underworld if that guy is what u say ill never buy from him!i saw some of the german covers,hell i wanted one but i cant buy everything and still create my own!good luck brother
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Post by Tim on Jul 13, 2010 17:09:36 GMT -5
well i am talking about myspace only..soooooooooo . if you have a sissy beef about being added as a friend ,,, don't blame others without knowing what your blabbering about. underworld had nothing to do with it.stop thinking he did..ok now take the panties off and wear some real pants' if you have problems with underworld , thats between you and him. he has always been straight up with me. and we all could point fingers at many of us as assholes.
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Post by jainitai on Jul 13, 2010 17:57:19 GMT -5
Wow...what the hell happened here?! Did this start from my comment about someone else setting up Tim's MySpace page? I remember at the time of its inception that the rock-a-billy guy (his band is called "Whole Hog", I think) had mentioned getting the page set up for Tim. And later there were discussions here (or maybe it was on the Broken Halos boards) about that guy updating stuff on it for Tim. I believe he even put one of his band's songs on Tim's page. Anyway, that's the only reason I mentioned it. I didn't mean to imply that Tim didn't personally check it himself from time to time. I just meant that it seemed he was aloof from it, since it was someone else that set it up and updated/maintained it. This whole conspiracy theory about Underworld denying people wasn't from me. That speculation/assumption came from Godless' hatred towards the guy. I really believe that is an issue between Godless and Underworld. There's no reason to rant about it here, especially when the guy isn't even here to respond.
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Post by Psikyo on Jul 13, 2010 19:22:42 GMT -5
Well...Here's what I'm taking away from this. I'm going to have a kick ass time at Chicago-Con and Tim is going to be there.
"underworld is a close friend of mine and never moderateted a myspace page. i did it and denied most everyone one as a friend, i find that shit boring,,"
Tim Vigil thinks I'm at least marginally cooler than the average dumbass. That's BY FAR the best back-handed complement I've received in a good while.
I'd love to buy you a beer if interested. You've been cool to me at least a dozen times in the past at Chicago-Con, and the 1st time I met you was at Fantasy Books in Collinsville, IL. I think it was in '91, Thanks !
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Post by godless on Jul 13, 2010 22:38:02 GMT -5
jainitai, Wasn't your fault but that one incidental comment gave way to another incidental comment by me which Tim somehow got his panties in a bunch about and refusing to un-bunch them. I did not posit any "conspiracy theory"(I am a skeptic remember? I DEBUNK conspiracy theories) about UD. And the reason he is not even here is because he ran away after robbing me and does not want to show his face here anymore. TimI do not care one iota about MySpace friend lists. I am not sure where you are even getting that nonsense!? What I Do NOT much appreciate is when you come here throwing a tantrum and pretending it has something to do with MySpace or whether or not UD had anything to do with it. I do not think he did and fully accept that you alone maintained your MySpace page(regardless of what else anyone here has said) but you cannot seriously be suggesting my comments were off base in saying that if it IS true that 'someone else' maintained your page, then it made sense to me that UD could have been the guy. Thought this turned out to not be true, it was rather weird that the only people that seemed to have been rejected(that I and a few others knew of) were people UD had problems with. So wrong or right you should have taken a more rational approach here. If something walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and looks like a duck, it may NOT be a duck but you can't seriously chastise people for saying "That could be a duck...". So if you only came on here and said "You are wrong. No one did anything with my MySpace page besides me." then that would be fine but instead you came here and started disrespecting your fans and telling us to shut our mouths and shit because we do not much care for your 'close friend'. If I had a close friend who ripped off my other friends, was unable to put together a cogent thought, etc. then I would not remain silent on that and I certainly would not tear into my other friends for not liking the guy who ripped them off for hundreds of dollars and acted like a little punk besides.
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