Vesil? anybody see this?

[smile4chaos]

I ran into a comic the other day, titled Vesil, done by a guy named Brian Viveros or something.

I could only find two of 'em in a discount bin, but I flipped through one, and found every other panel was a re-drawing of a Faust panel.

I was wondering if anyone ever saw them, and what they thought. At the end of one of the books he thanks Tim, and says to pick up his books, or something, and credits him for influence but doesn't say I swiped half this book from him.

The only real thing I found on the internet is this: bmvstudios.tripod.com/bmvstudios/index.html

And i think this is the same guy: Just years later:
www.brianmviveros.com/

[bastard]

yeah, i have one issue, i've been looking for more.
it does have a strong resemblence to faust.
i think the guy makes movies now.

[underw0rld]

The book has been around awhile. If you read his narrative he says Tim is a big influence on him

[jainitai]

Never heard of the guy. He does have a style very similar to Tim's, but I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with emulating a particular artist's style (just think about how Travis Charest started off as a Jim Lee clone, but look at what he's doing now), but I think the problem comes when an artist blatantly traces or copies someone elses work and claims it as their own. I wish I could find the website, but there was this interesting thing about that very topic, showing side-by-side comparisons of original panels and copied panels that appeard in other books by other artists. Doing that kind of stuff is just lame.

I'd be interested in seeing those Vesil pages. Can you scan some of them in, S4C?

PS - As I was Googling for that website, I found this very interesting article about the use of photo reference and computers in the creation of comic books. Tim, if you're reading this, you might find it very interesting:

goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/2007/04/03/stuart-immonen-on-computers-and-art/

[jainitai]

Here are some cover "swipes", not technically what I was looking for, but it shows this idea of taking someone else's work and copying it/altering it:

imagecomics.com/messageboard/viewtopic.php?t=20545

[paperdragon]

I think this beats that, David Mack...tracer

www.comicboards.com/mub/view.php?trd=080328082929

[jainitai]

Never heard of Greg Land or David Mack. Now see, I can somewhat understand the idea of tracing photos if you're on a deadline or you want to capture some difficult architecture or a facial expression or pose (heck, I even use some Photoshop-filtered photo images as backgrounds in Eternal Day #2), but what I don't get is what David Mack did, i.e. - completely tracing or "aping" someone else's work that's already been published! That's just ridiculous and there's no justification for it.

PS - Thanks to Lil and PD for posting these links. These aren't the ones I was thinking of, but they illustrate my point.

[underw0rld]

All artists use pictures for reference and even trace a picture exact to its detail and just add certain changes. The cover for Faust 2 is a copy of a cover for an issue of Playboy with nudity, blood and a razor added.

[smile4chaos]

The David mack stuff, is just ridiculous.
Greg land, eh. what ever.

The covers, I can see some of 'em, but if it's been done already, don't do another, I do kinda like the zombie ones though.

I had to go back and buy one, surprisingly it was the one out of the two that was there, and thankfully it's the one you'll like.








There's some EO, Faust, 777, he runs the gamete. Sorry for the shitty scans, but I didn't want to waste too much time. And for the effort of saving my back, I think we could all recognize the Tim panels, as it's most of 'em.

[smile4chaos]

"For myself and you the readers, I thank you. WHat you hold in your hands is a piece of me and what I believe is one of the last real hardcore underground books around. I would also like to thank all the stores that still have some balls and ordering from so called "little guys" in the industry. And last but not least I must thank the greatest black and white illustrator of all time, Tim Vigil."

"Being adult automatically puts you on another fucking planet. Condemned for being labeled as the "perverted, twisted, shocking" Whatever man. It's all fucking bullshit."

Some highlights form his last page closing statement.

Forgery is the greatest form of flattery I suppose.

[smile4chaos]

Sorry for the small scans, I can post bigger ones if needed.

But Faust 2 or 3
777 - 1
Raw Media - 3?

Look to those first.

[godless]

Being the fanatical buyer/reader of indie B&W comics of the 1980s I would often marvel at the plagiarism that went on. Butch Burcham, who was one of my favorite creators when he was on his game, stole a panel or two from a poorly drawn issue of Stephen Darklord: The Survivor IIRC. Another guy whose name escapes me stole a panel or two from Thundermace and the funny thing about both of those was that the artist of SD:TS and Thundermace, Robert Alan Kraus(R.A.K.), was at the time not even a competent artist! He was worse than Rob Liefeld back then! ANd even HE was being swiped from!.

As for guys who have stolen from Tim Vigil, Daryl Cobbs(artist on Grips Adventures, I Come In Peace etc.) used to do that pretty frequently over at Greater Mercury Comics. He stole several panels from Faust and a Grips Portfolio piece(the one from portfolio #4 where Grips is ducking a shotgun blast) as well. He also stole a few panels from Mitch Byrd's "Cat & Mouse" series.

[Grimm]

oh, gob, Vesil! yeah, UK had some of those in atl a few years back.

iirc, I was the one who pointed out his little shout out to Tim at the end. "oh yes, let me now praise the man I ripped off for twenty something pages. . ."

Vesil. . .jebus. . .